Thursday, October 16, 2008

Where did Jesus come from?

The separation between the myth of Jesus and the person (if any) is difficult to untangle. We know that so far as mythological figures goes, Jesus shares many stark similarities to other Gods in Eurasia before that time. Including, but not limited to Horus (well, one of his incarnations), Mythra, Krishna, Dionysis and even Joseph of the Bible. When considering whether Jesus is a myth or not, we should look at some of these fascinating myths from the ancient world and think about the potential influence they may have had on one another. After all, we know these people traded extensively with each other in both goods as well as ideas.

Horus - This is probably the oldest (3000BC) incarnation of the Jesus myth. There are about 15 different incarnations of Horus, as each priest over the 2500 years that he was worshipped added their own ideas.

Horus was the son of Isis-Meri and Osiris. Osiris was dead (not in this world) at the time of conception of Horus. Horus was adorned by three wise men or magi at his birth, who followed a shining star. Horus was a teacher at age 12, he was baptised at 30 and then betrayed after ministering to the people and performing miracles. He was known as "lamb of God" and "light of the world". He was crucified and was buried, only to arise three days later.

Horus is characteristically shown with the head of an eagle. He is also the deity that leads the judged when their hearts are weighed against a feather, as shown below in the Book of the Dead:-

Mithra - appears at least by 670BC with the first Persian empire. Zoroastrian texts state that Ahura Mazda (The Zoroastrian God) declares to Zoroaster that Mithra is "to be as worthy of sacrifice and as worthy of prayer as myself". Born to a virgin on 25 December, he was known as the "light", "redeemer", "enemy of darkness" and "judge of souls", the last being his official title within Zoroastrian custom. He was part of a trinity of protectors of the universe. He entered the mortal realm where he was betrayed, killed and then resurrected into light and air where he now guides souls to Paradise.

Dionysus - Ancient Greece. Dionysus is born of a virgin to Semale. His father is Zeus. Dionysus travels with companions throughout the Greek Isles performing miracles. He is the God of wine and revelry and asks others to "drink his blood and eat his flesh". He can make wine from nothing as shown in various ancient ceremonies

Joseph - son of Jacob, 2nd last of 12 sons (12 disciples). Was betrayed at the idea of his brother Judah (Jude, Judas) out of jealousy and sold into slavery. At the age of 30 he shows miraculous abilities, overcomes temptation and leads the jewish people into Egypt.

There are about 57 ressurection and 45 virgin birth myths catalogued in the ancient world. These similarities are not random chance. They all have an astrological meaning - something that was very important to the ancients. For instance, in the northern hemisphere the sun appears lower on the horizon as the winter solstace approaches. Presently that happens on the 21st or 22nd of December. The sun descends to its lowest point for three days then arises as the tilt of the earth changes. That is, the sun begins to rise on the 25th of december. In ancient lore, the sun was adored as "giver of life" the "light" as it would provide the light and warmth for people of the ancient world. Thus, its descent into darker days was viewed as the sun dying or losing the battle against the darkness. The return of the sun was considered a "rebirth" whereupon it would come to dominate the days at about late march (Spring Equinox) or easter.

Even more interestingly, the three stars that form Orion's belt which were known to some ancients as the three magi or three kings, align directly through the brightest star in the sky, Sirius A to line up with the point on the horizon where the sun rises on the 25th of december. The birth of Jesus is just an astrological event retold.

Astrology cults are not new. In a time when the entire world had only the stars to look at during night, these were fascinating things. They personified the stars and the sun because of their magnificence. They were untouchable by man and therefore, to a species that learns through touching, completely unknowable. These stories held the psyche of man, and long after their actual nature began, they became the foundation for new stories and myths.

But what about the crucifixtion? Why both Horus, Jesus, Dionysus and others suffering a crucifixtion? The answer is simple, you have probably known about it since you were very young and first saw the Australian flag. When the sun descends (from the northern hemisphere) into the winter solstice, the earth is tilted to its lowest point. In the mediteranean, the sun appears to rise through the constellation crux - or the cross - He is risen.

These stories have lived through the ages. They have changed over time, particularily before the advent of widespread writing. And now, people wish to spread these lies over the rest of us as truth. They don't realise the truth because they blind themselves with faith.

I am sorry, there is no God.


David Gee said...

Your conclusions aside, could you provide me/us with the source documents that support this conjecture? As Josh has already commented I also would be interested to read through them.

Or is this your opinion again?

Ryan Hemelaar said...

Alex, here is our refutation to your post, as it contains a lot of incorrect information.

CASE - now with holiness said...

Massey, Gerald
“The Historical Jesus and the Mythical Christ”
Book Tree Publishing

Massey, Gerald
“Ancient Egypt, Light of the World”
Kessinger Publishing

Massey, Gerald
“Egyptian Book of the Dead and the Mysteries of Amenta”
Kessinger Publishing

Acharya S
“The Christ Conspiracy”
Adventures Unlimited Press

Acharya S
“Suns of God”
Adventures Unlimited Press

Churchward, Albert
“The Origin and Evolution of Religion”
Book Tree Publishing

Murdock, D.M
“Who was Jesus?”
Steller House Publishing

Allegro, John
“The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Christian Myth”
Book Tree Publishing

Maxwell, Tice & Snow
“That Old Time Religion”
Book Tree Publishing

King James Version
“The Holy Bible”

Leedom, Tim C.
“The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You To Read”
TS Books Publishing

Remsburg, John F.
“The Christ: A Critical Review and Analysis of the Evidence of His Existence”
Prometheus Books Publishing

Irvin & Rutajit
“Astrotheology and Shamanism”
Book Tree Publishing

Doherty, Earl
“The Jesus Puzzle: Did Christianity Begin With A Mythical Christ?”
Age of Reason Publishing

Campbell, Joseph
“Creative Mythology: The Masks of God”
Penguin Publishing

Doane, T.W.
“Bible Myths And Their Parallels In Other Religions”
Health Research Publishing

Carpenter, Edward
“Pagan and Christian Creeds: Their Origin and Meaning”
The Book Tree Publishing

Rolleston, Frances
Rivingtons, Waterloo Place Publishing

Cumont, Franz
“Astrology and Religion Among the Greeks and Romans”
Cosimo Classics Publishing

Fideler, David
“Jesus Christ, Sun of God”
Quest Books Publishing

Berry, Gerald
“Religions Of The World”
Barnes & Noble Publishing

Frazer, Sir James
“The Golden Bough”
Touchstone Publishing

Wheless, Joseph
“Forgery in Christianity”
Cosimo Classics Publishing

Singh, Madanjeet
“The Sun- Symbol of Power and Life”
UNESCO Publishing

Jackson, John G.
“Christianity Before Christ”
American Atheist Press Publishing

Josh Williamson said...

Could you please reference your work showing us where exactly you got the quotes / ideas from. You have provided a bibliography (which is good), but you still have referenced where individual ideas came from.


Jake Elwood XVI said...


its me JEXVI, i googled, and there was link to your blog on a great site about televangelists.
I have been waiting patiently for the uncial of Plato's speeches. I do wonder if there is no such uncial.
I am wondering if you are going to give me a bibliography as well. I hope not, just citations and sources, please. That list was crazy long. I don't think I have read that many books in my life, (you know engineering & a public school education – I only really went into the library because they had computers, and the papers).

Have you looked your list? No sources, no citations, no uncial, no minuscule. It just seems that you are trying to confuse people with long list of books, trying “humphrey appleby” style, to stop people searching your claims further. This is far from being genuine and is really quite sad. I thought that you might just overly confident but it appears that you are maybe fallacious and just playing games.

I am wondering if your comments are just bravado, trying to help convince yourself as well as others?

Or is your 'absolutely sure' attitude, genuine?

I can’t see why you would be so sure, when you can't even present a well-researched view? Too most people, - intelligent people, and you are included - this lack of sources should hit a warning bell in their minds, or at least a proceed with caution sign. But to you, you just steam right through? Its certainly courageous, I'll give you that. However I think your courage is misguided.

So the questions becomes are you misguided? Deluded? Or?

I think you need to start being honest - not just to others - but to your self?

CASE, I do hope that we christians theist, show that we care. However I am not sure that you see that, or that we even know how we can show you in a way that is relevant to you. But we do care
I hope life is continuing to go well, in regards to your work, family and friends, and that we theists don’t cause you too much vexation. All the best for the future.

Jake Elwood XVI

I will list my questions again

1) them section of plato's work mentioning pythag & the fish story,

1a) you spoke of other BC sources for the 'fish story', do you have these?

1b) sources for the pythagoras "resurrection" story.

2) the sanhedrin writings 30-35 AD you looked at.

3) citations for book burnings during constantine's reign.

4) the earlier copies of josephus lacking the testimonium flavianum?

5) citations for it being usual "in ancient times, [testimony] was given by reference to an Emperor, etc." 

Is this even lacking from the gospels. I thinking Luke in particular.

6) which Iamblichus were you referring too?

7) the source for pythagorians of the 3rd/4th century being 'annihilated by Christian Romans".

8) sources or citations for the reacquisition of greek texts during the crusades

8a) scholarly work that supports your view that this had a casual impact of the reformation and renaissance.

9) what are the inconsistencies shown in the earlier texts of the christian cannon? Are these major? Such as non-orthographical errors?

10) what arguments do you have against the "Joseph of Aramathea story"?

11) which sources and scholarly articles make you think that it is "a fraud committed in the 4th and 5th centuries after the conversion of Constantine"?

11a) citing sources, what (mainstream) views of the bible in general and Jesus in particular changed after constantine's conversions to show evidence of fraud? If you want to include fringe views then you will need to show why this is relevant to a fraud being committed, i.e. fringe becoming mainstream is one example I can think of.
the more you read your assertions the more baseless they appear. They are aussumptions on assumptions based on the work of others. Great you cite those who agree with you, and never check their sources. sad really.